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  • 1.  Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Dec 01, 2006 04:16 PM
    I have read several threads regarding Console/client issues and have tried the cert file change, reinstall client, etc. Still not working....

    Here is my environment...

    Win2003 server (console), Winxpsp2 (client)

    Console remotely installed to client just fine.

    ALL Firewalls are off/disabled on both console client.

    I have wireshark capture's that show the client and the console talking but the client won't show in the console.

    Any help is appreciated..


  • 2.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Dec 02, 2006 02:41 PM
    I have a similar issue and the guys at Symantec are working on it. I'm curious though - what version of Ghost (or GSS) are you working with and what type NICs are you using? Do you have this problem with all your computers or just some of them? My own problem seems to have started after I upgraded from GSS 1.0 to GSS1.1 and, so far, affects only the Dell GX620 model with Broadcom NetExtreme 57xx GB NICs, but this could be just coincidence. I do not have any problem deploying an image to this computer model via Ghost Cast Server.

    Thanks.


  • 3.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Dec 04, 2006 08:29 AM
    I am running GSS 1.1 and all the pc's I am working with have the broadcom 57xx

    Interesting that I did have this working in a test lab, but after reloading GSS 1.1 on a server in production nothing is working.

    I do have some older pc's I could try.

    "Symantec is working on it", so there is a known issue? Dell is a widely used desktop, so I am surprised there would be an issue.

    Let me know if you find anything out.


  • 4.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Dec 04, 2006 04:25 PM
    > Symantec is working on it", so there is a known issue?

    It means Wayne has sent me lots of detail about his system (incl. packet traces), and I'll be asking him for more data as GSS2 rumbles to completion and I have more time to look at all the various forum issues. What the cause in Wayne's case is I don't yet know, and the same goes for yours.

    Since you have some wireshark captures you're welcome to send them to me to have a look at, nigel dot bree at gmail dot com


  • 5.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Dec 04, 2006 04:36 PM
    Great! I will shoot them over to you,

    How soon on GSS2?


  • 6.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Dec 08, 2006 11:24 AM
    I have had the same problem since I upgraded the AV on the clients to SAV 10. The problem is occuring on Dell GX620, HP-VL420s, & Gateway Profile 4s. (Broadcom $ Intel network cards)
    I have tried setting the ghost client service (ngctw32.exe) to restart in case of failure but it didn't work.
    I also excluded the Symantec Ghost folder from being scanned by Symantec AV server.

    I am running Ghost 8.2 on WinXP pro. SP2


  • 7.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Dec 12, 2006 08:45 PM
    I was fighting this problem for over a week, had 4 machines 3 WinXP-Pro SP2 and one Win2kserver only the Win2kServer machine would show up in the console despite the fact that I could remotely install the client on all of them.

    I wanted to grab some sniffer captures to see what was going on, and I wanted to elliminate the network. So I attached the Console client machine (which is also my DHCP server) the machine with the console client and my laptop which was running a sniffer - all to an old ethernet hub. Amazingly enough after a re-install of the client it finally showed up in the console. Shortly after I wiped the configs of all the network devices in the lab and re-configed them from scratch (that was planned regardless) All works now.

    Might want to throw is all on a simple layer 2 device just to be sure its not a network setting based on what I saw. I still don't know what setting was causing the problem, but it works now - I'm happy


  • 8.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Feb 09, 2007 11:07 AM
    Nigel,
    I have 40 GX620s in a lab and am using GSS 8.2.0.1117 and last month, I used the console to deliver an image to all 40 of the GX620s with no problems. This morning I made a new image and tried to push it out from the console and it threw up all over me. The lab and ghost server are on the same subnet on the same floor of the building. Yesterday I had the same thing happen in a lab with some GX270s on a different subnet. It ran like a champ last month. Wouldn't run at all yesterday. IT says there have not been changes to the network, and I haven't made any changes to the server or the clients. I could see the GX270s when I started the push but after it failed, I deleted them from the console, but they never showed back up. I haven't done that yet with the GX620s, but I suspect that they will do the same.

    As soon as I finish ghosting them using the Ghostcast Server, I will do some testing and get back with more info. Wierd things going on here. By the way we use Cisco switching and I've had nothing but trouble with Ghost since I've started using it with the Cisco routers and switching. Any tips or articles that you could point me too that would help would be greatly appreciated.


  • 9.  RE: Console cannot see clients....

    Posted Feb 09, 2007 05:44 PM
    Interesting problem, Gary. If the clients aren't reconnecting to the console, then generally we'd work on the protocol the clients use to discover the server, since generally that's where things go wrong.

    Let's recap what should happen (I'll concentrate more on the multicast side):

    The first thing the clients do is send out a multicast IP query for the server; this is send to a specific multicast IP that the server registers to listen to, 229.55.150.208, on UDP port 1345. If that fails, it then falls back to also try using the WINS protocol (aka NetBIOS nameservice, port 137) using either a WINS server advertised through DHCP or the fallback subnet-local WINS broadcast mode. The client starts out retrying these every 20 seconds and drops down to trying every 2 minutes or so if it never hears anything back.

    The multicast query within a subnet generally "just works", unless you are using a switch that has been configured to block multicast, or has multicast support misconfigured somehow. Layer3-capable switches support efficient multicast by piggy-backing on a protocol called IGMP, which has two parts - one where the clients subscribe to a multicast group, and one where routers periodically ask the clients to refresh their interest.

    Basically, the switches just recognise the IGMP subscriptions as they go past, and add them to an internal table mapping IP multicast addresses to a set of switch ports that have subscribed (IP addresses in the multicast range are numbers that can be thought of as "channels"). After seeing a subscription send out by a machine, the switch remembers it for a while (3 minutes is a typical time), and if it doesn't see a resubscription it then removes the switch port from the distribution list for that multicast address.

    Above the switches, the routers do a similar job working out what subnets have subscribed to what groups - the routers exchange multicast information amongst each other, and every 30 seconds or so ask the machines in their directly-attached networks to refresh the IGMP subscriptions (which has the side-effect of keeping the switches happy, if they are snooping in on that traffic).

    One of the things we often see is that GhostCast works, but clients don't find the server through multicast, which is usually a sign that the switch has multicast enabled but there are no IGMP queries being generated by anything to keep the subscriptions alive. The difference is that when a GhostCast starts, it generates a new (random) multicast group just for that specific operation, and asks the clients to register to listen to it; because those subscriptions are fresh, the GhostCast operation can complete before the switches time them out. The server registers just once, in contrast, and expects that registration to live.

    In a case like yours where there are two subnets, the above can be true but the clients in the same subnet will still manage to find the server using WINS, so not having an IGMP querier would leave behind a situation like the one you are seeing. That's not the only reason; the router configuration could have been changed to stop supporting multicast, for instance.

    > Any tips or articles that you could point me too that would help would be greatly appreciated

    Because of the huge range of devices Cisco have produced over the years (and all the different revisions of IOS they run), there's something of a gap between the high-level overviews such as http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/ito_doc/ipmulti.htm and the reference documentation for individual devices. I'm not aware of any good tutorial for setting up a complete network with IP multicast support.