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Decision on 11D or 12

Updated: 22 May 2010 | 25 comments
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Hi all
 
I was going to purchase 11D, but I happened to know there is the lastest version i.e. 12. Please help me make a decision whether 11D or 12.
My situation is that. I've never used this product before (but the other backup products - yes)
Our network size is small-midium
1 X File server + DHCP + Printer server
1 X DNS server that also will handle the backup.
1 X SQL 2000 server
1 X Exchange 2007 server.
1 X second DNS.
I am going to purchase one HP tape drive and tapes as well.
 
Please tell me what I need to get the whole backup system up and running interms of licensing, agent and software. Since the project has been approved so I need to get all info as much and quck as I could.
Or you can suggest a better backup system other than tape.
Any help/ suggestion would be much apprecaited.
 
Regards
 
 
 

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Goldie's picture
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This pdf gives a snapshot of what are the major enhancements in BE12 vs BE11d and earlier versions
 
 
Hywel Mallett's picture
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If you purchase 11d with support, you can upgrade to 12 when you want. Personally I'd go straight to 12 though.
The licenses you will need (assuming you are going to backup all your servers, and they all run Windows) are:
 
1 * Backup Exec core product
1 * Agent for Microsoft SQL Server
1 * Agent for Microsoft Exchange Server
2 * Remote Agent for Windows Servers
 
If you have plenty of disk space, you could backup to disk, then duplicate to tape, but unless you have lots and lots of bandwidth, tape is still hard to beat for off-site backups.
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Another option is just purchasing Backup Exec 12.  The license keys for Backup Exec 12 also work in Backup Exec 11d for backwards compatability reasons.

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First thank you all for your response.
 
I would go straight for BE 12 of course it could be challenging. How could I get support when I come across an issue say implementing, monitoring, backup and recovery? Do we have to pay the support every year? How could I contact Symantec in regard to purchasing product and support? please (I live in Australia)
 
to Hywel
 
could you please tell me what is the benefit of backup to disk then duplicate to tape. I have a lot of disk space but the bandwith worries me anyway.
 
Again thank you very much
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vbsaust,
I think you have the right plan to move forward to BE 12 and take advantage of the new features and updated tools that have been added to the product.
 
I think it's important that you get everything you need, so here is the sales info:
http://www.symantec.com/business/contact_sales.jsp (Don't be alarmed because it says Enterprise, they help with SMB too.) They can also help you choose the right support offering.
 
Thanks
 
 

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vbsaust wrote:
to Hywel
 
could you please tell me what is the benefit of backup to disk then duplicate to tape. I have a lot of disk space but the bandwith worries me anyway.


If you backup your data, whether to disk or two tape, you have one copy of the data. If you want the best protection against disaster, you should move that copy off-site. This gives a trade-off though. If all your backups are off-site, and you need to restore from them, you need to get your backup back on-site before you can start. A way around this is to duplicate your backups, so you have a copy on-site, and a copy off-site. Either off these can be disk or tape, but it's perhaps more common to backup to disk (as it's fast and relatively cheap), then to tape (as it's easy to move large quantities of data between locations)

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One key benefit of backing up to disk is the searchability of the backup files.  You are able to use a search tool that will search for a file on disk much more rapidly than searching through tape for a granular restore.  Additionally, when an end user is backing up to disk, they are able to use Continuous Protection.  Continuous Protection is not available when backing up to tape exclusively.
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Aaron Melear wrote:
One key benefit of backing up to disk is the searchability of the backup files. 


In Backup Exec you can search for files in a backup just as easily whether to disk or tape - that's what catalogs are for!

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Thank you for all your replies.

To Hywel

It makes sense. At the moment we are doing that too. Our current system is very simple and not efficient for backup and recovery especially SQL database and Disaster Recovery plan that’s why I am looking for a sophisticated system.

To all

In regard to Disaster Recovery, does the BE 12 have the capable of doing this? I read somewhere this product can do with VMWare. Honestly I don’t know how it works. Has anyone tried this product with WMWare or any Virtualized systems for Disaster Recovery?

For example all the servers got power surge and died, then we had to reinstall the server from the scratch, could we use the BE 12 alone to restore everything including AD, database etc like it was before?

Thanks for your time and help.



Message Edited by vbsaust on 02-21-2008 04:52 PM

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Yes.With the IDR option you can prepare your system for disaster recovery.The IDR wizard creates a IDR cd which is a bootable disk and a .DR file which is updates every time a full backup is run.
With the IDR disk, .DR file and a FULL backup a server can be restored to a pre-disaster state.
 
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Thank you for your response.
 
Can I ask some silly questions? is the IDR part of BE 12?
How about backup exec system recovery 8? it seems very interesting for Disater Recovery as well.
 
Regards,
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You can do disaster recovery using just Backup Exec, with no options or agents. It works fine, though you can only restore to similar hardware.
The Intelligent Disaster Recovery option cuts the amount of time it takes to do a disaster recovery, by having some of the data pre-prepared. Again, this can only restore to similar hardware. IDR used to be a cost option, but with BE12 a license is included with the core product (and each Remote agent license).
The Backup Exec System Recovery option images an entire system, and recovery is very fast. It can restore to dissimilar hardware.
 
I haven't used IDR or BESR, but I can say that normal disaster recovery works just fine (if you have similar hardware).
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Yes, you can provide complete Windows Disaster Recovery using Backup Exec System Recovery 8...a complementary product to Backup Exec 12
 
BESR8 Product Tour:
 
  • Simple, seamless conversion of physical systems to virtual environments (supports VMware and MS virtual server
  • Dissimilar hardware restoration with Restore Anyware technology
  • Comprehensive virtual conversion capabilities directly to VMDK or VHD files
  • Offsite backup copy to FTP location or secondary disk drive for enhanced disaster recovery capabilities
  • Granular recovery of Exchange, SharePoint or files and folders from a single, multi-tab interface (via the Granular Restore Option)
  • Just won SmallBusinessComputing Excellence in IT 2008 "Readers Choice Award for the Server and Desktop versions
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Thank you for all help and support
 
RECAP what I need:
1 * Backup Exec core product
1 * Agent for Microsoft SQL Server
1 * Agent for Microsoft Exchange Server
2 * Remote Agent for Windows Servers ( one for File server and one for Second DNS server?)
 
As I want to implement this backup by myself, if you could tell the resource or instruction of HOW TO, that would be much apprecaited.
 
Regards,
 
 
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VBSAust,

Here's some places to start:

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 installation
How to upgrade to Backup Exec 12 for Windows Servers
http://support.veritas.com/docs/289451

Regards and Best of Luck, Jack


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Thank you Jack for the pointers.
 
I am reading all info from those websites.
I could not find any books related to Backup Exec.
Is there any one out there ?
 
Regards,
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The Admin Guide can be a little intimidating, but should answer most, if not all, of your questions
 
Looks like they haven't posted the v12 guide yet, but the v11d Admin guide is here
 
they hid it a little.  the v12 documentation is here
 



Message Edited by Ken Putnam on 02-26-2008 08:08 AM

If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"

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Thank you Ken
 
11D I have read, I hope BE 12 will be similar.
I just talked one of IT Saleman, he said he has not got BE 12 product, I think it is fairly new.
Could I get BE 11D with 12 months support then we upgrade to 12 whenever it is available? as someone has suggested earlier.
 
Thanks and Regards
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VBSAust,

If you purchase 11d now you will have the option to upgrade anytime within those twelve months that you have software assurance (basically twelve months after you purchase 11d).

The situation would go down like this:

1)  You purchase 11d.
2)  You install it.
3)  You'll eventually get an email notification from Symantec stating where you can download v12.
4)  Download and install that.
5)  You're on version 12!

Hope this helps. 

Regards and Good Luck, Jack

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Thank you Jack for quick response.
 
You guys are very nice and helpful. Looks like I am almost ready, I got project approval, I got budget approval. All I need is read all the info and instruction while waiting for ordering server, backup device and software.
 
Is there any tips and tricks should I take into account before implementing? Can I get support from here if I need help?
 
Once again thank you very much
 
Regards,
 
 
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VBSAust,

These boards are a decent (and sometimes more effective) alternative to Symantec Technical Support.  I have Symantec Technical Support for all of the Symantec products my organization uses and sometimes I question "why" we do since these boards are more helpful due to lots of reasons (most of which stem from the fact that none of us are reading out a book and base our answers on what REALLY happens when you use Symantec products). 

I for one enjoy getting real-life experiences from Symantec product users like ourselves instead of answers from the book I can simply lookup myself if I so chose to. 

That being said, there were some instances a couple years ago when v11d came out where I really, really needed Tier2 Technical Support and Symantec was there for me and did help me resolve the issue.  Symantec is aware of their discrepancies on the technical support side of the house and they are making changes as I type this.  There was a HUGE backlash a couple of years ago by the IT community regarding major software providers outsourcing their technical support, and that bit many of them in the behind.  Because of the backlash (and indubitably to save face), many software providers have moved their regional technical support back to the regions that they preside over, be it the US, Germany, India, or wherever you may reside.  This helps in amazing ways, believe me.

So, take this all as you will.  I guess the bottom-line is that this forum is great for simple, day-to-day issues and the group here is typically helpful and responsive.  However, for your purposes, since it sounds as if you're just beginning your experience with this product, I'd set aside the money in the budget for technical support.  You'll want it.

This can be a very simple product to use.  It can also be your worst nightmare if you don't follow the rules (by rules I mean the Best Practices).  Follow the Best Practices to a "T" and you will see that you will not experience many of the issues that users here experience.  RTFM shoudl be the Symantec Backup Exec credo.  :)  The product works great when you know how to use it, and you know how to use it by reading the manuals on how to do so.  If you skip that portion, you will find yourself in a lot of hot water with this product.  So do your reading and do it all.

Otherwise, you can expect help from me and some other frequenters.  I have been silent for a while but a new version is out so I will be here.

Hope this helps and Good Luck, Jack


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Without wishing to sound like a Symantec ad (:smileyvery-happy:), if you are unsure about installing BE, they now offer a remote installation service - see http://shop.symantecstore.com/DRHM/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayProductDetailsSmbPage&SiteID=symnasmb&Locale=en_US&ThemeID=106400&Env=BASE&productID=97898000
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Here is a list of some articles
 

Backup Exec for Windows Servers 12 Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

http://support.veritas.com/docs/288357

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 installation

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298302

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Agent for Microsoft Exchange Server

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298300

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Advanced Open File Option

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298299

 

Symantec Backup Exec (tm) 12 for Windows Servers General Information

http://support.veritas.com/docs/293622

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 synthetic backup

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298295

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Agent for Microsoft SQL Server

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298297

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Active Directory Recovery Agent

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298284

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 backup

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298301

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 DB2 Agent

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298287

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Agent for Microsoft SharePoint

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298293

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 reports

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298288

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Central Admin Server Option

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298292

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Agent for Oracle on Windows or LINUX Servers

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298291

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Remote Agent for Linux or UNIX Servers

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298294

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Continuous Protection Server

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298298

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 NDMP Option

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298290

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Remote Agent for NetWare Systems

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298289

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 and Symantec Endpoint Protection

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298286

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Intelligent Disaster Recovery option

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298283

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Agent for Enterprise Vault

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298282

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 software encryption

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298303

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 true image restore

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298285

 

Best practices for Backup Exec 12 Desktop and Laptop Option

http://support.veritas.com/docs/298296

 

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Thank you Hywel for suggestion - remotely installation. As I want to challenge, so I will be installing by myself, see how I go.
 
That is great help from every one here, appreciated.
 
Cheers
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Is version 12 a rewrite?
 
Did they do something about the remote agent part? 
 
I am nervous about going to 12 because we had some many problems with 11.  If 12 is not a rewrite in code then I am assuming 12 is the way to go.