Installing and configuring the Early Adopter Program (EAP) build of Backup Exec 2010?
Updated: 01 Jun 2010 | 82 comments
Hello all -
Has anyone had the chance to download and install the EAP build of Backup Exec 2010? Any issues, comments, or experiences to share?
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Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
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Got it...will be creating a
Got it...will be creating a VM to install it too.
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Installing it now and did not
Installing it now and did not realize you have to uninstall any previous versions of Backup Exec.
Need help with Installation
I am trying to install Backup Exec 2010 on Windows 2008 server x64 and I keep getting the same error meassage. When I get to the very end of the installation and it try's to configure the SQL the installation fails. Below is the error message. Can someone help?
Tyson Moore
Tyson, I ran into the same
Tyson,
I ran into the same issue for quite a few times around and there's a few different solutions I've learned on dumping the DB's but the method that worked for me was when I was uninstalling 12.5, there is a prompt asking if you would like to delete the additional user settings & files (jobs, etc.) and I selected no. I had to reinstall 12.5, uninstall it and when prompted again, hit yes to remove the files. Reboot, retry 2010 install and voila, good to go.
Hope this helps.
-Garrett
-Garrett
MCITP Server, Bloomberg Certified (BTTC), BES Admin
I'm guessing that this new
I'm guessing that this new version has a different database schema then the old version. You uninstalled your old version of BE but probably didn't uninstall the SQL instance or drop the DB. If you do that you will, of course, lose any backup history, jobs etc etc. Once the upgrade version is out it should take care of this issue
Completely uninstalled SQL and tried a totally different server
I completely uninstalled all sql programs and reinstalled it, that did not work. I also tried using a totally different SQL server and that still failed. Any ideas?
Tyson Moore
Hello Tyson - Sorry for
Hello Tyson -
Sorry for catching this thread so late. It sounds like you were atempting to use an existing SQL server (the full version) as your database repository on a remote system? Or was this the error you recieved when you atempted to use the default SQL Express database on the same machine you were installing the Backup Exec media server?
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Well it seemed logical
Well it seemed logical :)
I looked around on google and found this:
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/317232.htm and some others referencing that same message.
I managed to install it and
I managed to install it and it worked fine. Tried exchange backup and it fails on backing up first information store, still checking to see if this is exchange or backup exec problem.
Thanks Davor - what version
Thanks Davor - what version of Exchange are you using? Exchange 2007? Exchange 2010?
Were you attempting to do just a "normal backup" or did you configure deduplication with that backup?
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Busy installing BEWS 2010 now
Busy installing BEWS 2010 now on a VM to test...should be interesting!
If you find this is a solution, please mark it as such.
Sys states are failing on a
Sys states are failing on a 2008 R2 DC on a HA failover cluster using clustered shared volumes -
Error "e00084f9 - A communications failure has occurred between the Backup Exec job engine and the remote agent."
Thanks ahall. Just so I am
Thanks ahall. Just so I am clear about your config, you have the Remote Agent installed on the 2008 R2 DC that was failing the system state backup?
If this is the case, what OS is your Media Server installed on?
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Hi, yes you're correct with
Hi, yes you're correct with the configuration.
The media server is a VM running 2008 R2 Enterprise. I also installed Backup Exec 2010 beta on a Windows XP SP3 and also go the error message as well. Additionally when I tried the job again I got -
"e000ff15 - A communications failure has occurred with a System State resource. " It ran for almost 5 hours and only got to 217,040,273 bytes.
Also, when I'm trying to backup "Microsoft Hyper-V HA Virtual Machines" it is failing as well with the following error message -
"e000fe30 - A communications failure has occurred.
For additional information regarding this error refer to link V-79-57344-65072"
Right now I'm trying to backup the VM by just using the ClusterStorage and selecting the folders and it seems to be working, or at least it's gotten to verify. Something that should also be noted is that within "Microsoft Hyper-V HA virtual machine" I can expand all of the VM's EXCEPT the one DC that is having problems.
[UPDATE: The Backup using "ClusterStorage" and just selecting the folders manually completed HA Hyper-V VM backup job succesfully]
Best,
Andy
Unable to Install Beta. Previous version detected
Hi
I'm unable to upgrade my 12.5 version to 2010 with the above message.
Is upgrade not allowed?
/Ola
That is correct, upgrades
That is correct, upgrades are not supported for Beta installs. Must be on a fresh "test" machine.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Where is the temp location for the offhost backups
When I run a VMWare backup where is the snapshot located that Symantec backs up from? In Symantec 12.5 VMWare backups you could choose a location to store the temp snapshot.
Tyson Moore
Hi Tyson - Actually, we
Hi Tyson -
Actually, we don't use a VCB Proxy server any more with Backup Exec 2010. Because of this, backups are direct-from-storage rather than stored to a temp location then backed up like it is in BE 12.5.
This is part of our integration with the vStorage API from VMWare.
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Lack of upgrade support
One of the largest blockers for us is that Symantec always blocks upgrades in the beta versions of BackupExec that they release to testers. This causes us a great deal of lost time each beta cycle removing the old version, deleting SQL, re-installing and most time consuming is re-configuration of all our backup jobs, media, selection lists, etc, etc, etc.. If Symantec wants serious testing, you should release a public RC tht will allow upgrades to us testers. Yes, we are willing to risk it and those of us that do that should be expected to take the proper precautions. As a professional, I don't appreciate being blocked from operations which need to be tested fully before release of the product !!
Joseph R. Worrall
Lakewood Communications
Ormond Beach, FL.
Great feedback Joseph - we
Great feedback Joseph - we are actually planning on delivering exactly what you highlighted above come mid December- we'll keep you posted on it's availability.
Monica Girolami Sr. Product Marketing Manager, Backup Exec monica_girolami@symantec.com
Hi, I installed the Beta, so
Hi,
I installed the Beta, so far so good. However, I have one issue. In installing the trial, although I can pick and choose the options and agents to install, it seems to actually install them all. So in reality I can't test as I would in production.
I'm testing the Hyper V agent on Windows 2008 R2, and I'm certain some of the options should be greyed out if not licensed.
At least that was the case in the past versions I thought. I did not install Exchange or SQL or many of the other options, but they are all able to be picked in the settings section of the backup job. And many more options also appear in the View by resource pane.
Can anything be done?
Thanks
Hi Roger - I'll have to
Hi Roger -
I'll have to check into this issue. It doesn't sound like it's behaving as it should.
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Any news on this yet?
Any news on this yet?
Working as Designed for the Beta
Hello Roger -
Turns out I was incorrect - this is indeed working as designed in the Early Adopter build.
We're looking to do it differently in the future - expose only those functions that are licensed - but that facility won't be in the BE 2010 release.
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
I have this beta installed on
I have this beta installed on Windows 2008 R2 Standard Edition Media Server.
Currenlty due to Backup Exec 12.5 haveing no support for Media Server in 200R2 and Windows dropping tape support, this server is not being backed up. I knw that a beta install should not be used in Production, however, I've tested and restored the backup on this several times and It's working flawlessly.
My question is, when the trial ends, will I be able to do an in place upgrade to the licensed version? Or will I need to uninstall and re-install the new version? No that it matters much, but it would be great if I had to not do anything and just enter the license keys.
Thanks,
Roger D. Fontaine
Can I get a reply on this
Can I get a reply on this please?
Am I explaining it wrong?
Thanks
Roger, You will have to do an
Roger,
You will have to do an uninstall of the trail version and install the release version of BE2010.
If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"
And will any settings be
And will any settings be retained?
Will it keep the logs, catalogs, etc.
Thanks
Liveupdate Install
Hello,
Beta install went fine on a Windows 2008 server but after completing the install there are 3 checkboxes I believe for Run Liveupdate check, Read the Readme and Launch Backup Exec. I left the Liveupdate checked and the install exited. I then ran BE 2010 and went to tools liveupdate and it stated LiveUpdate wasn't installed. I then browsed the installation folder and found the Liveupdate install, ran it, and now it runs a Liveupdate. Is this designed this way because it's a beta release and no updates will be made available?
I'm not sure about this one,
I'm not sure about this one, Ned. I'll check into it.
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
This is intended. The Beta
This is intended. The Beta does not support Liveupdate as there will be no LiveUpdate patches to get until GA (General Availability)
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
I have a question about
I have a question about dedup? Can you dedup and have it stored on tape??? It seems like I heard somewhere that you can not do that......
Hello nkrowe - We do not
Hello nkrowe - We do not support deduplication to tape in Backup Exec 2010.
If you set copy data from a deduplication storage folder to a tape, we will "hydrate" or un-deduplicate the data in-line as it is transferred to the tape.
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Dedupe only for D2D
Hi All,
So in this case the Deduplication feature can only supports the Disk to Disk not to the tape backup ?
/* Infrastructure Support Engineer */
You cannot go directly from
You cannot go directly from the original source to tape. You have to stage to disk first (called a Deduplication Storage Folder) on the media server and then you can do a duplicate job to tape which, as Aidan said, 're-hydrates' the backup set so that the data can be restored later directly from tape without any reliance upon other sources of backup or storage indexes or sets (which could otherwise lead to VERY lengthy restore times or easily corrupted/unusable backups sets on tape).
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Hi James, OK, now that is
Hi James,
OK, now that is make sense :-o)
thanks for the explanation.
So how does one restore the backup from the tape in case the BE Media server got broke ?
can we still insert that tape into newly installed BE Media Server and then performs the restore from there ?
Cheers.
/* Infrastructure Support Engineer */
It's the same as any other
It's the same as any other backup stored on tape. With a new BE install you would need to:
1. inventory the tape (and any other tapes that it may have had to span to)
2. Catalog the tape (this figures out what sets are stored on the tape(s))
3. Create a restore and have fun watching the data stream back :)
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Thanks for the reply
Thanks for the reply James.
Cheers.
/* Infrastructure Support Engineer */
What are the medias that do
What are the medias that do dedup too???
You can dedupe to a disk
You can dedupe to a disk storage location. You can create one Deduplicated Storage Folder per media server.
When you move data to tape, the data is moved to that tape "rehydrated" or undeduplicated.
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Installing Today....
I just joined the Early Adopter Program. Have been using Backup Exec for years. I use and abused Backup to Disk when that option became available... Really looking forward to testing the new features!
Cannot create deduplication storage folder
Hi,
I am trying to create a deduplication storage folder using the Configure Devices Assistant. After clicking Deduplication Storage Folder the only setting I change on the New Deduplication Storage Folder is the storage path. After clicking OK I get the Gather information pop-up, after about 15-30 seconds I get an error message that says "An error occurred while creating the deduplcation storage folder." If I navigate to the location that I set in the assistant a bunch of folders have been created. There is also an error in the application event log which I have pasted below. The directory the error referenced does exist.
Thanks,
Scott
The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( PostgreSQL ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and Support for details. The following information is part of the event: %t FATAL: data directory "E:/Dedup/databases/pddb/data" does not exist
Computerguy21 - I'll check
Computerguy21 - I'll check into this.
Just to cover the basics, the E: drive you use is a local NTFS volume? Does it work if you let it use the default paths?
Thanks,
Aidan Finley
Sr. Product Manager, Backup Exec
Aidan, Yes it is a local
Aidan,
Yes it is a local NTFS volume. it's on a dell powervault with 800GB of free space. Not sure what you mean by default paths, if you mean setting the storage path to the root of the volume, in my case E:\ the same thing happens.
Thanks,
Scott
Issue Resolved
Aidan,
I figured out the issue, it was NTFS permissions for the drive that I was trying to create the deduplication storage folder on.
Thanks,
Scott
Combine Deduplication with VMware Agent
Hi All,
Does anyone have tried the vStorage backup feature of BE 2010 combned with the Deduplication option ?
Do we have to install the BE 2010 in the same subnet as our SAN to make the backup runs faster ?
Thanks.
/* Infrastructure Support Engineer */
vstorage agent shouldn't use network
The vstorage agent should be backing up over the SAN not over the network,s o the subnet shouldn't affect the speed. Other factors will -- disk, memory, cpu on your media server.
I have a question regarding
I have a question regarding the GRT backups and restores for the MS Virtual Agent.
I have done complete backups and restores wihtout an issue.
however, when going to restore individual files it says I must have a remote agent installed.
Can I install the remote agent after the fact for the restore or did it have to be installed prior to the backup.
The backup completed fine, restored fine, but only doing a grt resotre does it tell me I need the remote agent installed.
Thanks
Hi, It's been almost 4 days
Hi,
It's been almost 4 days and I've received no answer.
Maybe it got overlooked.
Can I get this answer?
Thanks
You need to have the GRT
You need to have the GRT option checked in the Backup Job for the "Microsoft Hyper-V" settings and the Remote Agent does need to be installed on that VM ahead of time. Installing it afterwards will not help. Can you verify whether that Hyper-V GRT checkbox was on by looking at the job setup? If it was on and the job was successful we may need to get a copy of the job log and a debug to check things out.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
The GRT was checked in the
The GRT was checked in the job.
My question is, the job finished, but I am unable to restore an individual item.
So if I wanted to now restore an individual item. I would have to install the remote agent on the VM and I can do that even after the job completed, correct?
Thanks
So if I wanted to now restore
So if I wanted to now restore an individual item. I would have to install the remote agent on the VM and I can do that even after the job completed, correct? - No, the remote agent on the VM would have to be installed prior to the backup.
If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"
I tested this myself, and
I tested this myself, and your answer was incorrect. I attempted the restore of a single file without the Remote Agent installed. As expected the restore failed. I installed the remote agent after the fact and restored a single file. It worked like a champ.
So the answer is, in order to restore single files on a server the remote agent can be installed after the fact.
This is a big savings in not having to buy the remote agent for servers that you may never install a single file on, but nice to know it can be done.
Thanks
Roger, Sorry I didn't read
Roger,
Sorry I didn't read you post correctly. If you have GRT selections (individual files) then installing the remote agent after the fact will work as you saw in testing.
As for not having to buy the remote agents, with the hyper V license, you get RAWS for free for all the guests on that host. So you don't have to buy an additional license. But any apps that you wish to use GRT with, like Exchange or SQL will require an additional license.
If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"
To further expand, I was
To further expand, I was incorrect on my prior answer in regards to "file" GRT but not Exchange/SQL GRT. I still haven't gotten used to calling the File stuff GRT, so used to thinking of it in terms of DB's. So sorry about that. There is metadata needed for the Exchange & SQL database structures that can only be grabbed via our Remote Agent at the backup time from our installed Remote Agent. The VMware VDDK cannot provide that meta-data through the host.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Thanks, that's perfect, even
Thanks, that's perfect, even better.
I did not know RAWS came with the Virtual Server license, that makes this much easier.
I do understand the SQL, Exchange piece and the GRT for that, it was the regular GRT files that confused me.
Thanks again
Deduplication limit?
I'm trying the to use both source-side and target-side deduplication with BE 2010. If my source is no more than 50GB, it's all good. If it's more I get an error suspiciously close to the 50GB threshold. Is this a limit of some sort with the trial software?
Here's the error I get (typically):
Job name : Backup 00007
Job type : Backup
Job status : Failed
Job log : C:\Program Files\Symantec\Backup Exec\Data\BEX_SYNCSORTSRV_00043.xml
Server name : SYNCSORTSRV
Selection list name : Backup 00007
Device name : Deduplication Storage Folder 51:1
Target name : Deduplication Storage Folder 51
Media set name : Keep Data Infinitely - Do Not Allow Overwrite
All Media Used
OST000030
OST000031
Error category : Backup Media Errors
Error : e00084ec - A backup storage read/write error has occurred.
If the storage is tape based, this is usually caused by dirty read/write heads in the tape drive. Clean the tape drive, and then try the job again. If the problem persists, try a different tape. You maFor additional information regarding this error refer to link V-79-57344-34028
Job Summary Information
Byte count : 53,207,665,546 bytes
Job rate : 545.00 MB/Min (Byte count of all backup sets divided by Elapsed time for all backup sets)
Files : 501,008
Directories : 83,351
Skipped files : 0
Corrupt files : 0
Files in use : 0
Original start time : Thursday, October 29, 2009 5:40:14 PM
Job started : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:17:14 PM
Job ended : Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:15:31 PM
Elapsed time : 01:58:17
Are you seeing this problem
Are you seeing this problem for both source side and target side? How much free space is on that drive letter (where the Dedup folder is) once the 50GB is written to the Dedup folder?
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Same problem on different target disks
I'm not sure I understand your first question. The error seems to be generated by the target side. I've tried 2 different drives and formatted them several times. Originally, I had a 800GB disk on the SAN as my target dedupe folder. After the failed backup I had about 760 GB free. After these errors, I was able to perform other backups. If the source-side had less than 50GB to backup, it would be successful. If it's more, it fails everytime. I'm also able to do a backup of the local box (admin/media server) which is over 50GB.
Suspecting that iSCSI may be the issue, I then tried formatting a local disk to use as my target dedupe folder. This drive was 255GB, with 215GB free after a failed backup attempt. Changing the target drive to a local drive didn't change anything. It still errors out at about 50GB of processed data from the source-side with the same error.
When you create a job that
When you create a job that targets the media server's 'Deduplication Storage Folder' there is an option (checkbox) that talks about using 'Direct Access'. With this checked, the source side will attempt to do the Deduplication work and only the 'new' data gets sent across the wire (you have to have pushed the remote agent after installing the Dedup option and only that one server's selections can be in the job). If you uncheck the 'direct access' checkbox then the media server does the deduplication work so most of the data is still sent across the wire but we only store the 'new' data to the Dedup folder. This is what I thought you were talking about when you said target side verssus source side dedup.
That being said, I did find out that we have recently addressed issues that should have resolved this problem (a variation of the problem/error was being seen) and we are definitely not seeing the 50+ GB issue in current builds being tested by our Quality Assurance team.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Great! Would it be possible
Great! Would it be possible to get one of these new builds?
Please & Thanks,
Robert;
Question on how to run a duplicate tape job from a dedupe job
Can someone explain the step for creating a duplicate tape job from a dedupe to disk job?
Tyson Moore
Same as other duplicate operations
It's pretty much the same process as any other duplicate job but the media is stored in the Dedup storage folder instead of in a Backup-to-Disk folder or tape drive/library. Should be fairly transparent. The main difference in the operation is that it can take longer than the original job since it has to re-hydrate all of the data into the tape.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
After dupe job finishes, can
After dupe job finishes, can you duplicate to Disk, so you have a cataloged version for that day then duplicate to tape or removeable disk?
Are you trying to duplicate
Are you trying to duplicate and protect just one backup set to tape or the whole entire Deduplication Storage Folder? There are two different processes.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Protect one backup set. Same
Protect one backup set. Same as you would with tape just a disk copy. I would like to keep 5 days of copies on disk like you would with VTL.
It's pretty much the same
oops. wrong location.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
Software Compatipilty List for supported OS , Symantec 12.5
Hi there:
from SCL information I can't see that Symantec Backup Exec 12.5 supported on Windows 2008 R2 , I can see the RA is supported, can any one please verify this point and tell us if there are plans to support media server install on Windows 2008 R2, I am talking here single server site, all in one.
ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/Backup_Exec_for_WindowsNT/307063.pdf
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/335868.htm
http://seer.entsupport.symantec.com/docs/324303.htm
See my reply below.
See my reply below.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
BE 2010 includes support for
BE 2010 includes support for a media server install on Windows 2008 R2. However, Windows 7 will be only supported via the remote agent. Windows XP will still support the full media server.
James McKey
Backup Exec UAT Program Manager
DLO
Dear all,
Does DLO come with BE2010 any new features or improvement? I hope my clients can backup with dedupe! :)
thanks
Unable to install Remote Agent
I've tried both pushing the remote agent, and installing it locally on Windows Server 2003 SP2. Getting the following error in the installation log after a local installation failure.
11-10-2009,10:15:21 : === Logging stopped: 11/10/2009 10:15:21 ===
11-10-2009,10:15:22 : Failed to join current installation transaction. Unable to install embedded chained installers.
11-10-2009,10:15:24 : The return code from the MSI is: 1603
11-10-2009,10:15:24 : AgentSeqDlgs::PostInstallActions
11-10-2009,10:15:24 : Cleaning up the symc status key
11-10-2009,10:15:25 : The return value for Symantec Backup Exec Remote Agent for Windows Systems returned error code: 1603
11-10-2009,10:15:29 : AgentSeqDlgs::Misc_BE_CommonOps
11-10-2009,10:15:29 : The Installation Failed!
Any ideas?
2010
Hello,
Can you tell us where to get 2010 for testing? I have an R2 server running RTM Exchange 2010 which BE 12.5 cannot backup.
Thanks
PS Please disregard found it - https://www4.symantec.com/Vrt/offer?a_id=88464
Can you have the DLO backup folder be dedupe?
Can the DLO folder where all the DLO backups are stored be deduped? So if two users have the same document, it is only backed up once.
Tyson Moore
I'll have to double check,
I'll have to double check, but I'm pretty sure DLO and dedupe do not work together at this point.
If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"
I have this beta installed on
I have this beta installed on Windows 2008 R2 Standard Edition Media Server.
Currenlty due to Backup Exec 12.5 haveing no support for Media Server in 200R2 and Windows dropping tape support, this server is not being backed up. I knw that a beta install should not be used in Production, however, I've tested and restored the backup on this several times and It's working flawlessly.
My question is, when the trial ends, will I be able to do an in place upgrade to the licensed version? Or will I need to uninstall and re-install the new version? No that it matters much, but it would be great if I had to not do anything and just enter the license keys.
Thanks
Roger, When the trial ends
Roger,
When the trial ends you will be able to do an inplace upgrade to the latest version from 12.5
If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"
I think he is asking if the
I think he is asking if the Beta version will be upgradeable to the final released version of 2010. This has my curiousity as well since I to have Windows 2008 R2 Servers in production that need backed up.
Personally I feel that Symantec has let us down with not providing an update for 12.5 Media Server to install on 2008 R2.
As far as I have been told to
As far as I have been told to this point the Beta version will NOT be upgradeable to the final release version.
If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"
OK, So if the beta won't be
OK,
So if the beta won't be upgradable then I'll have to unistall the Beta trial and install the full version then.
Since 12.5 does not work on this server, I have no ability to upgrade. I need to do a full install. The beta works and is my only option to upgrade at this time. So I will have no choice I guess but to uninstall the trial version and re-install the full version since it appears there will be no way to just install the keys.
Will there be any issues with this?
Thanks
Still waiting on this
Still waiting on this answer.
Really want to get an answer please.
Thanks
Roger, At this time there are
Roger,
At this time there are no issues with uninstalling one version of 2010 and then installing a later version.
If this response answers your concern, please mark it as a "solution"
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