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SEP Manager soon to be a complete Tomcat based solution .. NO IIS ... !! is this true ??

Updated: 21 May 2010 | 16 comments
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    SEP Manager now as a complete Tomcat based solution .. NO IIS ... !! is this true ??

 

Secondly, when this happens, will I still have have the option to choose IIS if I want to...

 

Will there be two different software suite available for all so that the user may choose between Tomcat and IIS ?? 

 

Any help/ information would be appreciated ... 

 

Comments please... :manhappy: 

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Dr. Watson's picture
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anyone ??

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Yeah. I too heard the same thing ? Is it TRUE ?

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Completely Tomcat? No, absolutely not.

 

Tomcat AND Apache, probably, yes. 

 

I'm not sure what we are doing with the "choice" aspect I don't think we have got that far yet.  Switching to Apache rather than IIS enables us to sidestep a lot of issues we have seen from using established IIS installs where admins have enabled settings that break SEPM, etc.  It also means we can reduce our reliance on IIS and be forced to rearchitect the product (like for example IIS7).

 

You wont see the change this year though. 

Paul Murgatroyd
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TWIMC,

 

I think the move to tomcat + apache is a bad idea, and basically a cop-out.

 

We have IIS expertise inhouse (although it's mostly moot for my installation, because I run dedicated AV servers - no other web sites are configured). I truly hate the java interface - kludgy, slow, crashy, poor drill-down in the few areas where drill-down is even available - and am leery of running web servers whose versioning and patching I'm unable to control outside of SEP updates.

 

Run it ALL on IIS, and build it in C#/.NET.

 

 

Loel

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After Mr3, SEP is stable .. including me ppl like it .. I have personally tested most of it and in diverse environments ...

At this point, I'm afraid if new issues come up after the movement from the "ROCK STABLE MR3" to a tomcat + apache based suite... also disturbance in the infra to accomodate changes would add up trouble...

So,

New issues > New Solutions and Fixes > should keep us busy ... :smileywink:

 

 

But guess thats a part of our jobs... Happens with every corporate product we work with...

 

Well :smileytongue:.......we might get proved wrong, as we all know apache as a lot stable option compared to IIS anyday... secondly the added (unwanted) security in IIS7 would cause issues when we all migrate to server 2008 someday...

 

"You cannot do a kindness too soon, for you never know how soon it will be too late"

 

So I support and believe this to be a smart move by the company ... lets see how it goes .. we'll all see it in a time of some months...

 

All the best and cheers to the programming and Testing team working on this task for SEP...

 

Cheers :D

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Hmmmm. I'd rather prefer that it be on IIS itself. Our chaps are more familiar with that aspect of windows based components (at least), and I don't want to get a version thats based on Tomcat, simply because if any issues do occur, we'll spend several hours on phone, trying to troubleshoot the issue, if the engineer I get to is fresh out of college, and the only thing they know about JAVA or TOMCAT, would be that one is a programming language, and a place near Sumatra, and the other is a web server, as well as the name of a species / breed / type of cats. ;)

 

Still and all, I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt to the guys who program and architect this stuff, coz they must have thought out the technical aspects of this, and then decided to comit to something.

 

Looking for a new and more crazy version of SEP soon. ;) 

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APIPA: Just a thought

 

I agree IIS 6.0 is a good option... we all are worried about IIS 7 with windows server 2008.. How well do you think we are ready for that ? Especially with products like SEP Manager which requires to communicate through IIS with each node in the network ... The added security and change in the IIS communication pattern used might add trouble and require additional expertise for sure...

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I hope SEPM move to tomcat + apache, it will be easier for Symantec to deliver a turn-key solution not depending on MS Patches.

Symantec could easilly add patches and configs to apache in every Patch release.

Just double click, Next, Next and problem solved. Right now there are like 4? versions of IIS to be supported, 4, 5, 6 and 7? To much trouble from my point of view.

You changed the config of tomcat with your current setup? No, so you will not change the config of apache in the next release. Less admin trouble.

We have many replication sites running from Win2k to Win2k3, and thats causing problems since not every IIS version is supported in MR3, like our Win2k servers

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Hey we downloaded and install Mr4 beta ... looks like it would continue working with IIS and not tomcat...

 

is that true ?? :) 

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Yes, MR4 still uses IIS. =)

 

Hope that helps!

Message Edited by David-Z on 11-19-2008 12:59 PM
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So does this mean that SEP Manager would now install over IIS 7 .... ???

 

what happned to the tomcat based suite ??? :)

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I refer you to my above comments, SEPM is based on Tomcat now, but we will most likely move the IIS portion of it to Apache at some point in the future.

 

As i already stated, this isn't going to happen this year, so it should be no surprise that MR4 still uses IIS, and yes, it will install on IIS7.  Thats the whole reason for MR4 :)

Paul Murgatroyd
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This rocks !!! 

 

I'm really excited to test this tomorrow... :D

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Looking forward for MR4 and maybe MR5 without IIS, the tomcat + apache solution will suite our environment better.

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>>

I refer you to my above comments, SEPM is based on Tomcat now, but we will most likely move the IIS portion of it to Apache at some point in the future.

 

As i already stated, this isn't going to happen this year, <<

 

Oh, come on, Paul - PLENTY of time yet this year! What's the problem! LOL

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MR5 is out, does it still

MR5 is out, does it still need IIS?

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