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Windows XP 64 bit support

Created: 24 Apr 2008 • Updated: 29 Jul 2010 | 32 comments

I looked around the forum, and couldn't find anywhere where people were talking about Windows XP 64 bit support. We have an entire department (200+) that are slowly moving to XP 64, and it will be a pain to package apps, or install all their apps by hand, while SVS has been a life saver so far on a 32bit platform.

Is there any word if SVS will be supporting 64bit Operating Systems? I always hear sometime soon, but sometime soon never gets any closer :(

Anyone else have comments? :)

-Opusboy

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Jordan's picture

There's no official 64-bit SVS available at this time.

We are planning 64-bit support with SVS 3.0, but there's no release date or guarantee that it will ship with 3.0's initial release.

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erikw's picture

There is no official 64 bit version of SVS. Because of the lack on 64bit applications the demands are not high yet.
We developed a 64 bit version, and that needs to be legalized. There is a lot work going on, but it still takes months rather than weeks to get it officialy supported.

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jjesse's picture

The NS agent, while it will install, is only a 32-bit agent and the last I heard the NS7 agent will only be a 32-bit agent as well.. This means the agent will only report on information and programs that installed in the 32-bit address space.

Jonathan Jesse
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erikw's picture

In Las Vegas we had a discussion about 64 bit.
At this moment there are no real questions about 64 bit. There should just be more 64 bit applikation.
SVS on 64 bit is already tested, and works fine. It will give information to the NS about the 32 bit applikations.

I can not test this with 64 bit, because the only 64 bit software i have in a virtualised environment is Office 2007 64Bit.

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SVS-JUNKIE's picture

"64 bit is already tested and works fine". That really stinks. That's like saying to a kid, "There's cookies in the cookie jar, but you can't have them." I'd feel better if you said there were tons of problems and 64-bit just wasn't ready!!!!

How about opening a BETA testers program or something? Can you get by the legal junk that way?

Thanks.

erikw's picture

64bit support has some small issues. It takes some time to create a valid driver certificate. The current version is showing test version in the background because it is build with a private certificate.
As soon as possible i will open the cookie jar, and give all of you a piece.
Should be nice as a session on Manage fusion the Hague and Orlando.
A view inside the cookie jar for 64bit.

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Jordan's picture

So I have to ask. Why do you all want 64-bit versions of SVS? You can't run SVS as a service so why place it on a server? I can't think of a use in a business environment where there would be a lot of machines affected, no one has that many 64-bit client machines except for maybe 3D Animation and the Video Game industries.

Is this all for personal/Homes use?

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erikw's picture

Jordan,

i run the 64bit version on 64bit TS.
Especially in windows 2008 TS it is a coll feature for virtualising and publishing apps.
Lot's of people do want it for that.
And Vista 64 bit. It supports over 4GB of memory, and machines are very, very fast.
Yes for personal use.
But more and more customers want it.

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erikw's picture

Let's start a vote.
Who wants SVS64bit, and why???

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Gwenselah's picture

Hello

we use SVS on XP Prof in a great environment of car builder . In the future the operationg system of new Workstation will be XP Prof. 64Bit. So we would like to use SVS 64 Bit like SVS 32 Bit which make our administrator lifes so much easier.

regards
Andy

ThomasVogel's picture

I am a software developer and use many different versions of the software we develop on one PC. There is no better and faster way to install and test and get rid of our nightly builds and then deactivate the layers for later comparison with newer builds.

As I now use a 64BIT OSs on my development machine, I would appreciate a 64Bit SVS version.
Otherwise I have to keep my older and slower machine up and running...

spazzzen's picture

Right now the company I work for uses SVS on every 32 bit pc but we also have quite a few computers that we build to xp 64. So the problem is, we have to make sure we push the correct installs for each os bit. So when we deploy a new computer we have to say "push vsas for 32 and run msis for 64". It would be great to just be able to run the 32 bit vsas on both systems as all the applications we have in vsa's are 32 bit only anyways. Eventaully it would be nice to also beable to put 64 bit apps into a vsa because they are so much easier to install and fix.

SVS-JUNKIE's picture

I have about 100 x64 Vista machines running SolidEdge and ACAD. We use x64 to go beyond the 4GB memory barrier of x32. Additionally, I'm constantly configuring, testing, and tweaking dozens of software apps and being able to use SVS on an x64 Vista machine would save me lots of Acronis re-imaging like I'm doing now. Installing and uninstalling apps tends to clutter up a machine, but using SVS layers is a much cleaner approach.

I'd use x64 Vists SVS quite a bit.

Thank you.

binky's picture

I use SVS personally at home and am very pleased with the extra responsiveness obtained since I don't have loads of apps loading at startup and can just activate the layers I need when performing certain tasks.

The XP x64 machine and Vista x86 machine I'm using both have 4GB of RAM and I'm only holding off on changing to Vista x64 on both because I can't run SVS on them. I too would love to be able to beta test and x64 version of SVS, or better yet, a released version. I've been waiting patiently for 64bit and the Lightning version that is supposed to be a lot faster... and if you really want to make my Christmas, can I have SVS that will run from a USB key?

Binky

srothman's picture

I'll agree on the strong desire to have a 64-bit version of SVS. The main reason I'm using a 64-bit OS is to support the 4GB of RAM in my machine. I probably wouldn't have made the move so quickly if I realized SVS wouldn't work.

What is the official Symantec stance on when (if) a 64-bit version will be available?

spazzzen's picture

At Manage Fusion Fall 08 I heard a few things. Our company is getting an increasing number of x64 PCs and being able to use the same deployment process we use on x86 would be very nice (deploying vsas). Again these are rumors as they can not give a definite answer as of yet. The one most of the instructors gave me was the next release of SVS, which would be SVS 3.0. But I also heard there was a chance that 64 bit support may not yet be supported in that version. If that is the case, I was told that in SVS 4 would definitly have 64 bit support. If I rememeber correctly, both versions are set to release next year. So cross your fingers.

RSnell's picture

We have been holding off a company wide implementation of SVS (still only testing in a small internal group) basically because we use Citrix. We recently migrated to the 64-bit platforms on the server side to take advantage of better scaling for users on the hardware.
So while we have the need for the 64-bit platform on the server side we also have the need for multi-user (TS and Citrix); which I saw an update on in another thread.
While I realize the number of 64-bit apps is low, the business needs for 64-bit are apparently very relevant (based upon other comments here).

Thanks,
Rob

stephenlyle's picture

I work for a software company that develops web applications for public schools.  We employ about 40 people and are moving to Vista 64-bit to take advantage of the 4GB we get on all our Dell machines.  For those of us in development, we run 64-bit versions of several databases, Apache and Java as that's what most of our clients who host our application in house use. 

We'd really like to use SVS throughout the company, but obviously can't without support for a 64-bit operating system.  Even if the layers we create are only for 32-bit apps, we at least need to be able to install SVS on a 64-bit OS.

Also, several of us are running Win7 64-bit as it's really quite a good replacement for Vista, even in beta.

Any updates on the ability to run SVS on Vista/Win7 x64?

Thank you very much!!
-Stephen

Jordan's picture

We'd like windows 7 support to come in a timely manner but since there's no release date for the product we don't have anything to say about when we will support it.

64-bit is a planned feature, which is a step up from a requested feature, but no time frame for it that I can give.  I've asked for a public version of our road map before, even if it doesn't have dates, I'll bring it up again because I think people deserve to know what they can expect, to some degree , in future updates.

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Ben Ducklow's picture

Also have been looking for the infamouse SVS for 64bit. Would love to hear what the plans are. I'd hate to look at other alternatives.

-Ben

Guido Langendorff's picture

64 bit OS is getting more and more populair as it runs faster on servers, desktops and laptops. That is a clear message I get from my Customers.

As a Consultant I work with a lot environments. Resetting layers brings back my laptop to where it should be, clean, working and no trails.
Investigating new (versions) software, etc, etc works as a charme with SVS.
Also SVS not available in 64 bit holds me back. I work with VMware a lot. On my 4Gb laptop I get into trouble more and more. Expanding to 8Gb is no issue. First I desperately am in need of 64OS and there for 64-SVS/SWV. There comes a time I have to say goodbey to SVS as my need voor 64-OS gets to high... I do think time needed to rebuild everything is the only thing holding me back at this point...

rantpe's picture

I have been talking a lot with our customers and almost everyone is planning to have 64-bit Win7 for heavy users. Most of them think if you need to change operating system why not go 64-bit. Thinapp and App-v have now 64-bit (App-V beta). I would like to a timeframe for 64-bit SWV.
And Terminal Server 2008 R2 is only 64-bit.

-Petri

randoran's picture

Hi

Is there any news about the 64bit version of SVS for windows Vitsta?
I got a new laptop and want to use it. or is there an alternativ for capturing games and stuff?

Thanks a lot

ThomasVogel's picture

To be honest I believe, that the support for Windows 7 is right now more important for Symantec than the support of 64Bits.
As one can see in the "Windows 7" thread in this forum, there isn't yet a Windows 7 compatible version of SWV either.
So all we can do is wait and see what is happen.

I am sure, Symantec will not let us poor 64 Bit OS users down :-(

Please let us draw advantage of our 8 GBytes of RAM...

The ability to work with different versions of the same software in a 64Bit environment would make THE difference for effective software testing...

Regards,
Thomas.

Pascal KOTTE's picture

A few of ours (or a lot WW?) customers got SVS, and SWV in production, and need to prepare the next OS platform.
They are all plan to go Windows 7, (in the contrary it was for Windows Vista).
So we need to know if Symantec will be the blocker for upgrading project, or not !
For 32 only ?
32+64 ?
None before 2010 ?
When ?

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marcoh's picture

32 bit Windows 7 support is in closed beta so it should be with us in a few weeks.
64 bit is in the making and I put it on my x-mas list ;-)

busterh's picture

I am running Windows 7 RTM 64 and even though I'm still running a lot of 32 bit apps, I'd be just as happy to have the thing at least install on the machine, even if it could only run 32 bit apps....

Frustrating

Jeff

Jeremy_Hurren's picture

SWV development is currently working on a 64-bit release of SWV. I won't go into any details about release schedules or such because we all know how those go in the software world. Vista x64 and Windows 7 x64 will both be supported and tested. There is no current plan to support IA64 (Itanium), but that's probably not an issue for most people. The intent is to support both 64-bit software and 32-bit software on 64-bit systems.

That's all I will say for now, but wanted to provide some reassurance that it IS being worked on, and WILL be available. Hang in there, 'cause it's going to be worth the wait.

Jeremy Hurren, Sr. Principal Software Engineer, Symantec

Pascal KOTTE's picture
from: altirisbeta@symantec.com
Announcing the Symantec Workspace Virtualization for 64-bit is now available.  We appreciate your interest in the product, and invite you to download and test the product.  You may anticiatpe the that the product will be in beta for approximatly 8 weeks.
FEATURES IN THIS RELEASE:
This release introduces support for 64-bit hardware and including the following features:
-         SWV runs on Windows Vista 64-bit, Windows Server 2008 64-bit, and Windows 7 64-bit
-         SWV captures and runs 64-bit applications
-         SWV captures and runs 32-bit application on the 64-bit driver

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philbenson's picture

Have you got the Beta to work on XP64bit? It would not install initially, so I removed the conditions, and got it to install, but looking at the event viewer, the driver is not loaded due to "incompatibilty issues"? In the original conditions, there was something about a filter manager, but cannot find any info on this.....

Cheers
Phil

Jeremy_Hurren's picture

Windows XP 64 is NOT supported. Vista and above are the only supported x64 platforms. (There is a required API set that Microsoft did not make available until Vista that we have to have to do 64-bit virtualization properly.) There is a bug in the message that pops up when you try to install and it detects this condition. The bug is that the message says something like "Windows 2000 with URP, Windows XP, blah blah blah are supported platforms." Unfortunately this is just a left-over message that hadn't been properly updated yet for the customer preview.

Jeremy Hurren, Sr. Principal Software Engineer, Symantec